i completely agree with you.
i hate when people try to act oppressed over something they could change.

 

I hate it when people compare racism to fatphobia.

I also despise the "Healthy foods are more expensive." bullshit.

I can buy AT LEAST a weeks worth of basic vegetables for 5 euros at my local shop and I can buy skim milk for dirt cheap and even make my own bread at home for a quarter of the money and calories.

If you want low calorie treats (chocolate, cake, ice cream...) then, yes, those do cost more. BUT YOU DON'T NEED THAT SHIT TO SURVIVE.

My family was quite poor, so we're used to counting cents, it's only when we got more money did we eat more and end up gaining weight to point I was overweight.

The thin=privileged "argument" is bullshit.

Being thin may give you A SMALL AMOUNT of SOCIAL privileges , but NOT monetary privileges.

Also it costs 0 euros to exercise.

 

I agree with you. I think fat people are treated unfairly culturally, but it's not the same as racism.

It's crazy how some people can't just say "I find this thing really hard and I struggle with it" anymore without also rushing to claim oppression as well.

 

Obesity is positively correlated with lower socioeconomic status in developed countries, and is also pandemic in the global south.

So while I'd prolly never use the term "thin privilege", I have seen fatphobia and classism go hand in hand just as the skinny aesthetic and the wealth aesthetic overlap a lot; it's not a coincidence.

Bougies also have an easier time staying thin, and this site is crawling with them.

 

Intersectionality is the only thing keeping the Fat Acceptance movement alive, IMO. If they didn't have so many other movements to latch onto, I'm convinced the movement would have died years ago.

Whenever someone says "fat people are oppressed," it just infuriates me.

 

Also I'm not sure who is equating fatphobia to racism, obviously they're wrong

But you know, something doesn't have to be equivalent to racism for it to be a problem lol

 

Ohh oh people claiming getting fatshamed is worse than getting skinnyshamed like what?! In both cases you are being judged for your body (whether it's shape, weight, your amount of fat or whatever)
It depends on how you cope with that comment, some may feel worse than somebody else due to some not being bothered.
Being skinnyshamed and fatshamed are both not ok.
I see that those who are getting fatshamed are struggling but invalidating people with almost the same experience seems not ok to me.
Both cases are valid.

 

Also I'm not sure who is equating fatphobia to racism, obviously they're wrong

But you know, something doesn't have to be equivalent to racism for it to be a problem lol

Some of the biggest voices in FA have....Virgie Tovar, Sonalee Rashatwar. There's also a few big name tik tokers that have as well.

 

To be honest the almost smug way white fat activists/haes activists pull the "weight loss = racism" card feels low-key racist to me lmao

 

I agree with you. I think fat people are treated unfairly culturally, but it's not the same as racism.

It's crazy how some people can't just say "I find this thing really hard and I struggle with it" anymore without also rushing to claim oppression as well.

I think that's a great way of putting it; there's no question that larger people do face a lot of unfair treatment and stigma, but it's a very different thing to racism, and I don't see why anyone would feel the need to equate the two.

EDIT: and obviously both can be a serious problem in their own right.

 

(I'm white and average-sized)

I think fatphobia is a form of oppression, so it's the same KIND of thing as racism, but in the same way a chihuahua is the same kind of animal as a Great Dane.

 

Some of the biggest voices in FA have....Virgie Tovar, Sonalee Rashatwar. There's also a few big name tik tokers that have as well.

Well if we're talking about Asian North American fat activists connecting their experience of fatshaming with their experience of racism then I don't think I know enough to dismiss them

 

To be honest the almost smug way white fat activists/haes activists pull the "weight loss = racism" card feels low-key racist to me lmao

They suggest losing weight is racist?! I've not come across HAES much at all so I don't know much about them, but that seems very bizarre.

 

I think they consider weight to racism because of the bmi. They love to state that it was made for white men and if you use it on a black woman, oh no.

I understand people will get bullied and harassed because of their weight. (I've been really underweight and that happened to me growning up). But like, they ain't oppressed, they can change their weight.

 

Yeah, they're in no way the same thing and anyone who says so needs to go outside and not spend their whole life on the internet.

That said, at a certain point, fat people do experience some systemic oppression. This may de different in different places around the world, but I am truly medically obese (working on it though) and I have gone to maybe one doctor for an unrelated issue that didn't mention my weight or outright deny me care until I lost weight. Imho it's only really a problem in the medical field and fashion industry so it is in no way comparable to racism in any way, but it is a problem that needs solving, albeit a lesser one.

 

(I'm white and average-sized)

I think fatphobia is a form of oppression, so it's the same KIND of thing as racism, but in the same way a chihuahua is the same kind of animal as a Great Dane.

personally no. don't ever compare racism something people get shot and killed over to weight.

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They suggest losing weight is racist?! I've not come across HAES much at all so I don't know much about them, but that seems very bizarre.

I'm trying to find the Instagram post right now - but yes there was a Registered Dietician who said that intentional weight loss is due to a person's desire to meet the European-Centric standard of beauty, which is derived from Cis-white males --- therefore trying to look like what Cis-white males want women to look like is racist.

OBVIOUSLY there are a shit-ton of flaws in that argument.

 

Obesity is positively correlated with lower socioeconomic status in developed countries, and is also pandemic in the global south.

So while I'd prolly never use the term "thin privilege", I have seen fatphobia and classism go hand in hand just as the skinny aesthetic and the wealth aesthetic overlap a lot; it's not a coincidence.

Bougies also have an easier time staying thin, and this site is crawling with them.

maybe in america but definitely not in other countries.

perhaps our perspectives don't correlate because i don't believe in fatphobia really either at all

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Agreed. I hate when people compare the two. Coming from someone that have been mistreated because of my racial background AND my weight in the past, they're not even comparable.

 

I completely agree. I purposely stay away from fat positive/ haes accounts because it always seems to come with these types of crazy arguments.
I'm a white woman and have never been close to fat so I can't speak from personal experience, but I think it's just a common sense thing that it's not the same.
I've also seen people compare it to homophobia, which is also ridiculous. I'm very lucky to also barely have any experience with that but what I do know is; if I were to move to certain countries I would literally be thrown in prison or killed for being a lesbian! People also have been and are killed because of their race or falsely imprisoned because of it.
Meanwhile, I have never heard of anyone being killed for being fat, or legally being banned from doing things thin people are allowed to do (voting, marrying etc.), or being disowned by their family, should I go on..?
Some people being assholes to fat people is in no way the same as racism. And like you and others said you can control your weight and lifestyle.
While there is more to the obesity epidemic than people just eating to much, being lazy or not motivated to lose weight, it's still an entirely different thing.
People who claim they're the same just seem like they want to play a victim and excuse their lifestyle choices or lack of effort to make a change.

 

personally no. don't ever compare racism something people get shot and killed over to weight.

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(I 100% agree with you, the below is just for explanation sake).

So, I see this come up a lot, and a common FA response I get is that the FA movement is trying to stop the progression of oppression of fat bodies. Some of them genuinely believe that it will get to the point where fat people are treated like the Jewish during the Holocaust.

 

maybe in america but definitely not in other countries.

perhaps our perspectives don't correlate because i don't believe in fatphobia really either at all

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America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, pretty much all of the first world

In the third world it's the other way around, but that's rapidly changing, for instance in Mexico, rates of overweight and obesity are climbing rapidly among children from the poorest backgrounds

Prejudice against overweight and obese people is extremely widely documented, in some societies it's worse than others. It's okay if you don't want to call it "fatphobia" but pretending it isn't a thing is just denying reality

 

There's also this...

https://theconversation.com/half-of-employers-say-they-are-less-inclined-to-recruit-obese-candidates-its-not-ok-109821

If a group of people are being discriminated against in employment on this scale, it might not be equivalent to racism but it's obviously a pretty serious societal problem

of course we could just gulag the bosses lol

 

America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, pretty much all of the first world

In the third world it's the other way around, but that's rapidly changing, for instance in Mexico, rates of overweight and obesity are climbing rapidly among children from the poorest backgrounds

Prejudice against overweight and obese people is extremely widely documented, in some societies it's worse than others. It's okay if you don't want to call it "fatphobia" but pretending it isn't a thing is just denying reality

i think it is a thing for SOME people but an excuse for MOST people. take bolivia for instance where i'm from / grew up for seven years. thin is in their everyone is thin and medium sized here is obese their. america has no influence on bolivia perhaps because they laugh at the country actually and disregard it. but that's besides the point. it's laughable because these people have undergone a dictator as a president, corrupt government, a country almost going down like venezuela - yet these people maintain an active lifestyle, know what's healthy, and amidst all the fucking great food their ( pardon my french ) still are "thin." don't make people victims when you haven't even lived in a third world country. maybe because countries like america, europe, austrialia have privilege and are able to do things but won't. don't cry about something if you CAN make changes but don't even try. also is society it's deemed better even praised to spread hate towards thin people then overweight

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